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Ethanol

Discussion in 'E90/E91/E92/E93 (2006-2011)' started by applebimmer, Mar 10, 2009.

    applebimmer guest

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    :eek:ATTENTION!!!!! ATTENTION!!!!!!!
    Please watch for the high % of ethanol in your gas. It will kill you engine and BMW will not do anything about it! :mad:
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    330indy1

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    http://www.bp.com/genericsection.do?categoryId=6761&contentId=7023409

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    [FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']:confused:Sorry Dude! Your analysis was a good read but that fuel station you mentioned is not recommended by BMW... After my own research of the topic please read below:[/FONT]



    TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline Retailers
    Gasoline retailers must meet the high TOP TIER standards with all grades of gasoline to be approved by the automakers as providing TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline.
    In addition, all gasoline outlets carrying the brand of the approved retailer must meet the TOP TIER standards.
    Additional gasoline retailers are added to the TOP TIER list as they meet the standards. The retailers known to be on the TOP TIER list are shown below.

    TOP TIER Gasoline Retailers:

    QuikTrip
    Chevron
    Texaco
    MFA Oil Co.
    Conoco
    Phillips 66
    76
    Entec Stations
    Shell
    The Somerset Refinery, Inc.
    Kwik Trip / Kwik Star
    Aloha Petroleum
    Tri-Par Oil Co.
    Turkey Hill Minit Markets
    Mileage Stations
    Chevron Canada
    Shell Canada
    Petro-Canada
    Sunoco Canada

    http://www.circlebmw.com/service/faq/beyondoctane.htm
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    330indy1

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    so? it's not on the list.
    are they lying then? ;)

    by the way, what made you post the warning? something terrible going on with your e90?
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    granthr

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    +1 Top Tier all the way for my BMWs FTW!!!!!!!! :cool:
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    Wretched

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    I always go by top tier list! That only leaves me on brand in my area but I'm okay with that since I shouldn't have to add fuel additives all the time! Your ethanol warning is correct watch the percentage. Also don't believe these guys saying you can run a lower octane either! Sorry just my two cents!
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    granthr

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    Another +1 If BMW is calling for premium in your bimmer/beemer for heavens sake spend the extra 20 or 30 cents. Your engine will be better for it, it will run better, have more power, better fuel mileage, etc.

    Now if you motor only requires 87 octane, then don't waste your money. Top Tier fuels have the same detergents in all grades of fuel.

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    What is the acceptable amount of ethanol by percent that is acceptable for a 335i?
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    granthr

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    For any car that is not a flex fuel vehicle stay away from anything over 10%. However even this can be too high for some components in the car, like rubber seals and hoses. That is why older cars start having issues, because the ethanol starts to speed up the breakdown of the already aged rubber.
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    az3579

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    FWIW, my 23-year-old eta runs just fine and it's been on gas using 10% ethanol since it made its way into gas. I don't know when it was, but there is no such thing as a no-ethanol gas station around here, at least not that I know of.


    I personally don't see what the big deal is...


    And I always fill up @ Shell, and even they have 10% ethanol content.
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    granthr

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    Well the big deal is that ethanol is a product of Big Ag lobbing for their inferior products. Ethanol has less energy per volume. When running gasoline with ethanol in your car you will get less power and less mpg.

    This country produces ethanol from corn which takes a lot of energy to produce. Corn by the way is a food product and should used for feeding people and animals not cars! But big Ag can make more money turning it into fuel compared to cattle feed.

    Other countries produce ethanol from waste products, like the left over fibers and stalks from sugar cane after the sugar has been extracted. A much more efficient way to produce ethanol because it is a waste product AND producing Ethanol from sugar cane is much less energy intensive.

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    I had some serious vibrations, stalls, and sputters once before. The BMW Dealership tested my fuel and I had 18% of ethanol in my tank. So I am thinking yeah, If I filled up from empty and the gas I used had 10% ethanol, then filled up again at half-tank and the gas I used had 10% ethanol, Then I figured yeah 18% is about right!

    So they say,"don't drive your gas down to the last drop." Well, it almost feels like, if you don't, you just keep adding more ethanol to your engine. Go Figure!

    Anyway that's the low-down!
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    330indy1

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    that is just weird! 18%?? Where have you filled up? do tell!
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    granthr

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    If you read tech talk in Roundel, Mike Miller thinks many stations have higher ethanol content than the 10% listed on the pump. Another reason to avoid no/off brand gasoline retailers.

    I pretty much always go to Shell Gas stations. Sometimes I will go to other Top Tier Fuel sellers if I am on a trip.

    I have never had any issues when using Shell gasoline.
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    CRKrieger

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    Sorry, but your 'figuring' is simply wrong. Two half tanks of 10% ethanol will still be 10% ethanol. Somebody put a lot higher dose of ethanol in there. Three half-tank fills of 10% after one half tank fill of E85 (85% EtOH) comes pretty close, though. If I had to speculate, I'd say somebody didn't read the pump very well.
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    mtechnik

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    I've been going to the 76 by my house after I saw 10% Ethanol sticker on the pump at Shell...joke. Both Bimmers are running great. I also add a bottle of Chevron Techron or Red Line SI1 Fuel System Cleaner every 2500 to 3000...really helps. What are these guys trying to do kill our engines? Top Tier and you still have to watch out :eek:

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    I have seen the same warning in regard to the fuel possibly contatining up to 10% ethanol @ my local Shell station. Needless to say I have not been there ever since. Like said above just because its a top teir station, you still may want to read the labels on the pump before filling up.
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    granthr

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    If Shell is starting to put ethanol in your gas, you can bet all the other stations will probably follow suit soon. It is probably a result of coming legislation.

    Here in Eastern PA ALL gas stations have ethanol in their gasoline. State Law. No way around it.

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    Shell FTW! I used to use Sunoco but recently we've been seeing a ton of cars with misfire issues and fuel that's over 20% ethonol! It always seems to come from Sunoco according to what client's are telling me. When I was with Volvo/Jag/Aston Martin we used to have problems with BP fuels.

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    Scr(*&d by the Green Gov't

    Anyone else notice that you lose 10% of the gas milage when you get 10% ethanol? It's like paying for 10% air. I've looked around and even consumer reports says you lose at least 10% milage and up to 30%. To me it's fraud. Of course, the gov't is mandating it and it drives up fuel and food costs so it's good all around right?

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