It all comes down to this: there will always be people who complain about their cars, no matter what they own. Doesn't matter what make, every single company has issues, some more than others. Whether the issues have become more or less severe is irrelevant. I wholeheartedly agree with CWalsh about maintenance. Hell, even a 3-year-old car needs maintenance. Those people who complain about their new cars are usually complaining about electrical items. Electrical gadgets are not something that's going to go away, so every single manufacturer will have this problem. Don't hear any complaints from people who own other cars? Look around more and/or join their respective clubs; you'll get your ear's worth. It seems that many BMW owners are upset with their cars because we hear so many of them complain; the Roundel is partly responsible for getting their voices heard. If we received magazines for other car clubs, we'd hear their issues as well. nopcbs - I believe you are 100% correct; car companies don't give a flying *not-so-nice-word* about its customers; they just want to make money. If they cared, they'd be out of business, even if their cars were absolutely perfect. So, if he wants to sell his car, fine, let him do it, and let the rest of us continue in our love/hate relationships with our cars. Remember, not all of us are of the "owning this car is a labor of love" breed.