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Online Roundel on an iPad

Discussion in 'Member Feedback' started by rspeser, Apr 14, 2010.

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    rspeser

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    Unfortunately the iPad does not allow Flash and the on line issue has to have Flash enabled. Any thought of a mobile addition?
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    bcweir

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    1996 328ti guest

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    Seems Apple is having a grudge match with Adobe on that one.
    It's a shame too since Adobe played a BIG part in Apple's success.
    Looks like Apple is starting to take some plays from the Microsoft playbook.
    You will conform or die.
    Hard for me to say that since I started out on a Lisa.

    Don't forget, there are many, many tablets on the horizon.
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    bcweir

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    It's not a grudge match. Apple does have a couple of valid concerns

    Apple designed and engineered both devices. If Apple says it has battery life and processor bandwidth concerns, I think that's a monkey that should be on Adobe's back, not Apple's.

    Apple understandably worries that if they allowed flash on the iphone, and then battery life started to go down or processor performance, customers won't be calling Adobe. They're going to call Apple, thinking it's a problem with Apple. As an example, you'd be surprised at how many phone calls we were getting whenever AT&T's 3G network went down! Apple doesn't run the network -- they just build and support the phone.

    Personally, as a former Apple tech specialist, they have plenty of work to do without flash. I should also point out, that most other smartphones don't support flash either, particularly the older ones. The few that do are fairly recent.

    There seems to be a flawed tendency among Apple users that if ANYTHING doesn't meet their expectations, they blame or call Apple, even if it's not something Apple controls, such as Flash or network issues.

    Apple does make a concession to playing online video via it's YouTube portal on the iphone and ipod touch. While that may not satisfy everyone, I think a little bit of something is a lot better than nothing at all. If Apple says iphone/ipod touch flash would eat up too much processor resources and battery life, then Adobe needs to get on that, not Apple.

    1996 328ti guest

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    And there lies the reason I never bought an iPhone.

    I'm sure something will be developed for tablets.
    I'm pretty sure it's not going to be this week.
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    Uh, yeah; let's dumb down the software so dumb hardware can use it ...
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    bcweir

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    Here's the big problem with that statement

    Apple doesn't OWN the Flash technology, Adobe does. While Apple probably COULD optimize the Flash technology (if they wanted to), they'd get into legal trouble with Adobe because Apple would be violating Adobe's copyright and patent on Flash technologies.

    It would be no different than Ford or Chevy taking a BMW engine, modifying it then putting it in their cars, slapping their own logo on it and saying it's their engine.

    That and as I already mentioned, Apple already gets plenty of calls from Iphone users who leave 40 different features enabled on their iphone, then call to complain they have a bad battery because their battery life is down! Or users who drop their iphone, then get irate when they discover their Iphone warranty doesn't cover accidental damage.

    I'm saying, if you want Flash on your iphone, iphone owners need to clog Adobe's phone lines, not Apple's. Adobe could create an add on Flash app for the iphone YESTERDAY, and if it passed muster at the App store, users could be adding Flash capability to their iphones.

    Problem is, Apple claims that the current implementation of Flash would drain battery life, and Adobe has been dragging its feet addressing the problem.

    Remember, Apple cannot legally create their own Flash utility because the technology is owned by Adobe.

    It would be no different than having me come over to your house, modify your car without your consent, then drive it around as if I owned it.
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    az3579

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    There goes the reason I got rid of the iPhone... Loved it to death, but the network... gawdawful where I work. Unacceptable to have 0 bars where I work. At least I didn't go calling Apple because of it... :rolleyes:

    Not quite how it works. The hardware would have no problem running it. Brian's response makes perfect sense. It's Adobe's fault for not making a version of Flash that runs more efficiently, efficiently enough for Apple to deem suitable for its devices. Kind of like how manufacturers have the right to pick and choose what hardware goes in their devices to meet quality standards, such as picky BMW owners. We choose only the best parts to go in our machines, because quality - > quantity. If Adobe wants Flash to be on more devices, they'll learn to make it more efficient. Kind of like how Ford started to make better cars; they realized that making better cars will sell more cars. In this case, making more efficient apps will mean the apps get distributed to more devices.
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    steven s

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    Plastic impellers on water pumps?
    Plastic radiators?
    Those would not have been my choices.
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    bcweir

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    Welcome to the BMW globalized parts market

    Way back in the 90's, BMW embarked on a globalization plan to basically "de-Germanize" their automobiles.

    Out with cast-iron park bench bumpers capable of storming the gates of Hel (Norse spelling), in with cheap, deformable plastic that implodes upon the first parking lot ding. Out with the firm, German suspensions, in with a soft cushy ride fit for a marshmallow. Out with manual transmissions (they're still working on that one, but thankfully, a few dedicated enthusiasts won't give them up), in with a cushy, automatic transmission with lifetime fill fluid, guaranteed to self-destruct mere moments after the last mile passes on your warranty.

    All this done to sell more cars. Instead of aiming to be the pinnacle of handcrafted, German workmanship, it's now robots, high-tech assembly lines, and you guessed it -- plastic parts ordered off the shelf from Xi Ping Industries in China.

    Let's just say that BMW's daring plastic cooling system is an experiment that didn't pan out the way BMW had hoped, yet in the interest of mining copper from the edges of pennies (and saving a few coins on every water pump and radiator), is an idea BMW hasn't entirely given up on yet.

    It's just a few reasons why some of us (like myself), prefer cars that were truly made the "old fashioned way." My dearly departed E21, built like a Panzer tank before drowning in the flood waters of Hurricane Katrina, basically baptized me in the ways of Olde Bavarian Moter Werks, instead of the current techno-machines rolling on run-flats sans spare tires and dipsticks. You'll find that owners of E30's and E28's are similar acolytes of this ancient "cast-iron car religion."

    The above is just an opinion, my friends.
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    az3579

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    BMW made cars beyond 1987?? Never would have guessed... :rolleyes:
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    granthr

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    In the 80s there were GM cars out there with BMW Diesels in them, not to mention a few RVs!!!!! :D (Yes I said RVs)

    I don't iphone, ipad, itouch, that just sounds creepy. :p I do ipod though. :)

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    Didn't take long to go O/T. :)
    I may be one of the last people in the US not to own an iPod.
    I listen to streaming music on my 'Droid.
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    I guess just using Zinio was too easy....we cant even download and archive our issues with the current service.

    Ron
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    I would use my Droid too if my stupid head unit didn't "index" the files every single time I connect the stupid thing... 8GB of music takes a long time to index!

    Really is the only reason I keep my iPod. :(
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    bcweir

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    Ok maybe not the best example.

    Ford used a BMW diesel in the early Mark VII's under license from BMW. They didn't steal or misrepresent it as their property. BMW does the same thing with GM automatic transmissions in some BMW's.

    The same with RV companies. The law is pretty straightforward -- you can't take something that's not yours, modify it, then put it out there as your own creative work.

    Perhaps I should have used RIM Technologies (makers of the Blackberry) as an example instead.

    Funny you should say that. My 1988 750iL has a manufacture date of 9/87.
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    CRKrieger

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    Those were Fords, not GMs. Lincolns, to be exact. I also know all about the diesel RVs. Knew a guy who had one a year or two ago.
    When you could MP3/WMA ... too bad. I have all that on my Pre. Multitasking and 3G, too. Open source apps that don't require Steve Jobs' approval. I'm all good. :D
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    granthr

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    Fords right, I knew it wasn't Chrysler, but couldn't remember if it was Ford or GM.
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    Brian A

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    I just spent 10 minutes peeling off a paper towel stuck to my piece of Rice Krispie cake.

    ... and my project over the Holidays was restoring a1961 Dynaco Stereo-70 power amp.
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    steven s

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    I have one of them. And the pre-amp.
    My wife wants me to throw it out. :mad:

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