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335i high pressure fuel pump

Discussion in 'E90/E91/E92/E93 (2006-2011)' started by Point2mach, Apr 21, 2009.

    JAMAICAN TWIN TURBO guest

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    automatic or manual

    The people who are saying they now have a loss of power, do you have manual or automatic? I have an automatic and while in drive mode, I dont have that inital head jerk like I used to have before the fuel pump replacement, BUT when I throw it in drive/sport mode, you can feel ALL the power, no hesitations at all.

    Just wondering if this is happening to people with the autos as well.
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    tcoke

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    I have a 2009 335i sedan with sport package and manual transmission with roughly 13K miles. I have noticed on two occasions recently that after shifting into second gear at a relatively low RPM, say 2000, that the car has been extremely sluggish, even when getting on the accelerator, and continues that way through the remaining gears. It acts as if it has a small four cylinder engine under a heavy load with the air conditioning on (reminds me of my old Ford Escort I had in college with absolutely no power). Kind of scary when you are pulling out in front of traffic and getting on it, yet no measurable response from the engine that one comes to expect from the twin turbo engine. The weird thing is that after stopping at the next traffic light, I can hit the accelerator pretty hard and the car responds beautifully through all the gears with ample power.

    I embarrassed to say that I was not up to speed on this fuel pump issue, but now that I am, I'm wondering if I'm having the beginning of fuel pump problems. On these two recent experiences it is like the car goes into a limp mode. I'll mention to the service manager when I take my car in for the 15K service here in another month or so.

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    Well, BMW of Fairfax has had my 08 E93 since last thursday. A week to fix the hpfp issue (along with the rattling from the back end (turbo wastegates?) and a few minor parking lot dents that my free easycare dent wizard is supposed to take care of). But the SA (Adrienne) calls me almost every afternoon to tell me they are still working on it. Kind of frustrating when I see other posts about hpfp issue cars being done in one day.
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    David1

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    Mine is fine after the software update. It actually idles smoother.
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    fshubert

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    My HPFP was replaced at 9.5K and today at 13K it's as fast and responsive as the day I drove it out of the showroom. Start delay is under a second even after sitting at the airport for 4 days. So far, so good......

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    Rennsport1

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    So does this only affect the turbo motors, or should I be concerned for my new to me 2007 CPO 328i coupe ? I hope this gets resolved for all of you(us?) soon.
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    BMWCCA1

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    Maybe if you'd read the thread and the links provided . . .

    ;)
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    Rennsport1

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    BMWCCA1, I had read the article which is linked. Still does not quite say if the 328i models have the HPFP or not, although from reading the following paragraph of the article I guess I can probably assume that my car is not involved:

    "It turns out Mangot and her husband aren't the only ones to claim problems with these cars. I've checked the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's (NHTSA) Office of Defects Investigation (ODI) website, which lists complaints from the public about different vehicles. I counted 38 nearly identical complaints regarding BMW 335 and 535 models from 2007 to 2010, most of which mentioned problems with the "high-pressure fuel pump" (HPFP) used in these models' engines. Here are three typical ones, with excerpts from the actual consumer complaints (the ODI complaint number is in parentheses):"[/I][/I]See full article from DailyFinance: http://srph.it/apFnNs"

    I'm new to these forums and a very recent BMW owner(after 15 years of not owning an example of the marque). Sorry if I am still learning about my car.

    R.S.
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    lynchmob6

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    Had a scare last week...my original HPFP was replaced at 4K miles while the car was still in Germany. The SA called Munich directly for advise and it took two days to get the new pump. I had shudders and long cranks before that one was replaced.

    With the car here back in the States, I have been driving much slower than on the Autobahn in Germany...but, the other day I turned it off for just a few minutes while I was dropping my parents off at the airport. When I started it back up, it had a miss-fire and shuddered and shook for about three minutes. Went to the dealer the next day, and they verified that it was a miss fire in cylinder #1. Said it was probably something to do with the fuel. The car was on a boat for three weeks, then sat for two in a lot at the Baltimore Port. It was only on its first tank of gas since being here, so their theory is possible.

    I don't want to have to go through the HPFP replacement again...but other than that, I love this car!
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    floydarogers

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    Although my son is on his 3rd or 4th, I wouldn't worry about it, they've got inventory now, and it seems like BMW/Bosch finally has figured out the problems. After all, if GM can get Direct Injection to work for their cars...

    Rennsport1, the 328i does not have Direct Injection, and therefore doesn't have a HPFP.

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    The safety issue is the real concern as there have been accidents with the sudden loss of engine power or engine stalling, in addition to the violent vehicle shaking that can occur. People have also been stranded on the side of the road in snow storms and waited hours for emergency assistance, so this is not a good situation at all. BMW is on their 5th or 6th HPFP design and the latest ones (PN 13517613933), appear to be failing also according to owner reports.
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    BMWCCA1

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    I suppose someone should inform NHTSA that the 2002tii will suddenly quit if either its injection-pump belt breaks, or its electric fuel-pump quits. I've had both happen. I sucked it up and called a tow-truck when instead I should have called a lawyer?

    Yeah, I could have been in a snow storm, or an intersection. But it wasn't my brain that shut down, just the car.

    Bunch'a whiners. I've been back working at a dealership now for over six months and I've seen exactly one incident of a HPFP failure. Yeah, it happened in an intersection. Yeah the husband of the woman driver is demanding BMW buy them a new car. What has the world come to? Internet lemmings it would seem.

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    I suspect those involved in an accident or near miss consider the N54 chronic and unresolved HPFP issues that have existed since 2007, more significant than others, especially when x35i owners travel with their families.
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    330indy1

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    Going 65 mph with the engine cutting off/ losing power steering?? That's some serious $hit mon

    auto issues: number 1 complaint by consumers.
    http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/27/news/economy/consumer_complaints/index.htm

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    I think BMW owners are starting to find their voice after great patience and brand loyalty was not enough to obtain a resolution to the N54 HPFP issues.

    http://www.mydefectivebmw.com/
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    E92Dreier

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    Add me to the list...

    Long cranks got longer, finally A CEL and SES warning, and now the car is on a flatbed. 7500 miles.

    Finges crossed, I will let you all know how it goes.

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    "Whining?" Hardly!

    I wouldn't call it "whining" when someone pays $50,000 for a car that at a minimum inconveniences him with multiple warrantee repairs and at a maximum exposes him to a life-threatening accident. I can't believe those German engineers can't resolve this problem. It's scandalous. And when (not if) someone gets killed BMW will face lawsuits and potentially US government sanctions.

    I have to tell you, after reading all this stuff about HPFP failures I am thinking about cancelling the order I put in last Friday for a new 335is Coupe. For about the same money I can get a CPO'd 2008 M3. The M3 will have already shed 2 years of depreciation so it should hold its value better; no HPFP or turbo problems to worry about, and no run-flats. In addition, it's a higher performance car (not that I need any more than the 335is offers) and more comfortable because of the adjustable suspension.

    I typically keep my cars for 10 or more years and I suspect that in the long run the M3 will be more durable and cost me less in repairs.

    So N54/N55 fans, tell me why I should stay with the 335is. What am I missing?

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    I imagine if NHTSA were to fine BMW $1,000,000 per week until they permanently fixed this safety defect or suspended sales of all N54/N55 models, it would get resolved in short order.
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    lynchmob6

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    E92 Drier,

    Those were exactly the same symptoms I had on my '09 about 9 months ago in Germany...just as you describe. They replaced the pump and updated some engine software.

    I am back in the States with the car now and have had a few long cranks...hopefully I am not going down that road again!

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